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	<title>Comments on: Community in Business #2: Lululemon &#8211; Cultivating Community or Cultivating Cult?</title>
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		<title>By: Regan Kohlhardt</title>
		<link>http://blablab.re-visionlabs.com/2010/01/19/community-in-business-2-lululemon-cultivating-community-or-cultivating-cult/comment-page-1/#comment-728</link>
		<dc:creator>Regan Kohlhardt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 21:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comment JTay. My intention in writing this post was mostly to bring up the topic of cult brands and to let readers form their own opinions about them. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I quoted Douglas Atkin in my post as saying that humans need cults. They&#039;re not necessarily bad. As humans, we&#039;ve always formed tight knit groups.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In business, however, I do think there needs to be a line in how &#039;cult-like&#039; a company tries to be. I would like to think that people join a cult or group voluntarily. They&#039;re interested in whatever that group represents, so they partake in the group philosophy. When it comes to trying to enforce that group philosophy on people who haven&#039;t necessarily joined solely for what that group represents (say, employees for example), I think that might be crossing the line between a healthy cult brand and more of a negative one.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I know some one who works for Lululemon. They are required to listen to &#039;self-help&#039; tapes. It&#039;s almost like homework. I&#039;m sure, for some employees, the self-help tapes might be really interesting and inspiring... But for others who started working for Lululemon because a) they needed a job, and b) they wanted to work for a company that is strongly involved in giving back to the community, being required to tie into the Landmark Forum philosophy just to get their next paycheck might be crossing the line. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Despite the high sales that cult brands seem to inspire, I personally think cultivating community around a business is healthier. Cults are quite inward focused, maybe even a little exclusive whereas communities are less so. Cults have a very strong, omnipresent philosophy; Communities share a common belief or goal but it is a goal that is flexible and more open. Community philosophy can more readily change and adapt with the times.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Perhaps cultivating cult can set a community up for immediate success, but is it sustainable over time? Are cult brands ultimately better than forging a community around a product? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I would say no, but again, I leave it the reader to form their own opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comment JTay. My intention in writing this post was mostly to bring up the topic of cult brands and to let readers form their own opinions about them. </p>
<p>I quoted Douglas Atkin in my post as saying that humans need cults. They&#39;re not necessarily bad. As humans, we&#39;ve always formed tight knit groups.</p>
<p>In business, however, I do think there needs to be a line in how &#39;cult-like&#39; a company tries to be. I would like to think that people join a cult or group voluntarily. They&#39;re interested in whatever that group represents, so they partake in the group philosophy. When it comes to trying to enforce that group philosophy on people who haven&#39;t necessarily joined solely for what that group represents (say, employees for example), I think that might be crossing the line between a healthy cult brand and more of a negative one.</p>
<p>I know some one who works for Lululemon. They are required to listen to &#39;self-help&#39; tapes. It&#39;s almost like homework. I&#39;m sure, for some employees, the self-help tapes might be really interesting and inspiring&#8230; But for others who started working for Lululemon because a) they needed a job, and b) they wanted to work for a company that is strongly involved in giving back to the community, being required to tie into the Landmark Forum philosophy just to get their next paycheck might be crossing the line. </p>
<p>Despite the high sales that cult brands seem to inspire, I personally think cultivating community around a business is healthier. Cults are quite inward focused, maybe even a little exclusive whereas communities are less so. Cults have a very strong, omnipresent philosophy; Communities share a common belief or goal but it is a goal that is flexible and more open. Community philosophy can more readily change and adapt with the times.</p>
<p>Perhaps cultivating cult can set a community up for immediate success, but is it sustainable over time? Are cult brands ultimately better than forging a community around a product? </p>
<p>I would say no, but again, I leave it the reader to form their own opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: JTay</title>
		<link>http://blablab.re-visionlabs.com/2010/01/19/community-in-business-2-lululemon-cultivating-community-or-cultivating-cult/comment-page-1/#comment-713</link>
		<dc:creator>JTay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 01:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This whole long discussion of whether lululemon is a cult seems rather amusing. Since you are using a broad definition of a cult, a passionate community,  instead of the narrow “Jonestown” definition, I’m not sure what the big deal is. No one’s debating whether Red Sox fans are cultists, though they would certainly meet your broader definition. At the same time, I’m struck by how paranoid we are of close communities in Western culture, how scared we are of domination, of the “group” taking us over. I also find it ironic that this site, dedicated to out of the box thinking and strategies for world-changing projects, finds that a claim that powerful and permanent shifts in the quality of life can occur in three days is evidence of brainwashing and cultlike behavior. If speedily achieving breakthrough results is a sign of cult brainwashing, perhaps the Lab needs to experiment with some cult brainwashing to achieve its goals!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole long discussion of whether lululemon is a cult seems rather amusing. Since you are using a broad definition of a cult, a passionate community,  instead of the narrow “Jonestown” definition, I’m not sure what the big deal is. No one’s debating whether Red Sox fans are cultists, though they would certainly meet your broader definition. At the same time, I’m struck by how paranoid we are of close communities in Western culture, how scared we are of domination, of the “group” taking us over. I also find it ironic that this site, dedicated to out of the box thinking and strategies for world-changing projects, finds that a claim that powerful and permanent shifts in the quality of life can occur in three days is evidence of brainwashing and cultlike behavior. If speedily achieving breakthrough results is a sign of cult brainwashing, perhaps the Lab needs to experiment with some cult brainwashing to achieve its goals!</p>
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